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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by eastfly66 View Post
    What is the rod length and head length ?
    I have a Redington Prospector, 8wt, 13.5 feet.

    I'm using Rio Skagit Max, 550gr, 23 ft long. I used the line selector feature on the Rio website to choose this line; although I might have screwed up, I said I would be "dredging", not "swinging".

    Sadly, the above rod and line setup is likely only to be used for practice on the local lakes here in Phoenix.

    When I fish for real I will fly back to Michigan and use whatever rod the guides are providing.

    I took my rod to Michigan this year, but since the rod case is very long it was a real hassle to travel with, so I think I will just use the guide's rods from here on out.

    Thanks everybody.

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    That's not too far off from what I have 7133 ,7126 & 7136 my scandi is 450 @ 33' and skagit 525 @ 23' . I use versileaders and poly floating tips 10' on my scandi and they cast great. I would wait for the other guys to comment on the tips being too light for the 8 wt grain window , that I really can't comment about not having anything over the 450 grain.

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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by myt1 View Post
    I have a Redington Prospector, 8wt, 13.5 feet.

    I'm using Rio Skagit Max, 550gr, 23 ft long. I used the line selector feature on the Rio website to choose this line; although I might have screwed up, I said I would be "dredging", not "swinging".

    Sadly, the above rod and line setup is likely only to be used for practice on the local lakes here in Phoenix.

    When I fish for real I will fly back to Michigan and use whatever rod the guides are providing.

    I took my rod to Michigan this year, but since the rod case is very long it was a real hassle to travel with, so I think I will just use the guide's rods
    Thanks everybody.
    That flyline weight sounds about right for an 8WT. I use that on my 7/8WT when throwing heavy leaders. It isn't too far off. The head length is not outrageously short like many of the current skagit offerings. 20ft or less is common now (which I do no prefer so far). You should be able to cast a 23ft head without blowing the anchor when you speed it up a bit. I read your original post carefully. If that damage to the T14 was caused by casting 50 times after the terminal tackle was already gone that is what I would expect to see. Especially if you were trying to cast fast and the timing was off.

    Keep the faith. You'll will figure it out. There are a lot of good skagit casting vids on youtube if you need to regroup. Good luck.

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    I don't know if this could help but I was told I had to work my way up to t-14 t-18 and half chicken dumbbell flies.

    I started out with t-7 and yarn puff for a fly.

    I was later taught the tricks of casting weight, 10' sink tips and dumbbell eyes after I had my stroke down.

    That magic of keeping everything moving and fast enough to avoid line stick and slow enough to load the rod and launch that rig.

    That being said, now most of the time, t-11 mow tips and cone tubes are almost too much in high water.

    I don't like going over t-11 for a sink tip, I want that streamer right above their head not dragging bottom.

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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by myt1 View Post
    I have a Redington Prospector, 8wt, 13.5 feet.
    I'm in the learning phase too, using a Redington CPX 11' switch rod. I communicated at length (ad nauseum?) with guys at Rio, Airflo and OPST, and eventually ended up with a 400 grain 16.5' Commando head from OPST and 10' floating and intermediate MOW tips, and I use a regular mono leader. I throw either unweighted streamers or lightly weighted flies like Clousers or bonefish flies. I am still pretty far from getting the distance I want, but if I go s-l-o-o-o-w and don't try to overpower the cast, it is working out pretty well. It is counter-intuitive, but the faster and harder you go the farther the fly doesn't. It often amazes me how nice a cast I get from a slow sweep and just a light tug on the lower handle. Then I speed up and/or yank on the handle, blow the anchor, and the fly dumps in the water at half the distance I got from the slow cast.

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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    If you are destroying your T-14 ,,,, this equals one easy answer.

    Too much power and speed on the initial part of the forward cast. Slow down to a slow motion sweep and circle up to key position,,, slowly begin the forward stroke and at the very end,,, a short quick lower hand speed up and stop.

    It is very common for beginners to over power the forward cast with Skagit lines.

    Regards,
    FK

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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    Sounds like you are having fun progressing - that's what it's all about!

    I can almost hear the whistling/swishing noise made by your casts (and I'm in the UK!). Spey casting should be almost silent. You will know when you have done a good Spey cast - when you can hardly hear it.

    Trust me on this!

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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by myt1 View Post


    I went to a local lake to practice my Skagit casting. There wasn't a steelhead within a thousand miles.

    Initially my setup had a beadhead woolly bugger and four feet of 30lb. Maxima attached to a ten foot section of T-14.

    By the end of my hour-plus practice session I was left with the photo above.

    First I lost the woolly bugger, then the leader, then the T-14 started falling apart.

    More than a few times I heard a noise that sounded like a whip snapping while casting.


    In general I have a very slow casting motion and I was working on speeding things up.

    Any suggestions?...besides, take up tennis.
    WOW!!

    I've seen a fly line come apart but nothing to that extent. Only way I can think this could happen is you're over powering the cast and if you've lost your 'fly' you are going to get a 'crack the whip' effect. The fly is a very important part of your 'anchor.'

    The second thing that comes to mind is were you actually doing an 'over head' cast rather than a Scandi or Skagit? As these are both casts are water loaded, other than your 'D Loop,' nothing else should be going behind you.d

    Item last is the 'head' was just plain defective; it happens.

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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    Now that the thread is alive again I was curious, are things getting better. Just a couple posts above Colin suggests that your casting should be almost silent, I agree with this assessment. My only noise is caused by my line lifting from the waters surface, it makes a bit of sound. I fish with many folks who are producing quite a loud swishing sound and often they are having some difficulties with the casts.

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    Default Re: So, I'm practicing my Skagit casting and this happened.

    Thanks so much for the additional feedback.

    Sadly, I haven't been to the lake for any additional practice since my original post. My next steelhead trip isn't until the fall so I got side tracked and have actually been practicing my one handed traditional casting instead...which I kinda suck at as well.

    Two things.

    On the advice of this thread, for practicing on a lake, I did purchace a floating leader. Although I know most of my casting problems lie in my technique, some of it is related to the fact I was using a full-on sinking set up in standing water and I really had to work fast to keep my line from sinking to the bottom.

    Also, I'm the proud new owner of a NRX two-handed 8wt., 13 ft rod. I got it on sale at Americal Legacy Fishing. This rod should be significantly stiffer than my Redington Prospector and I'm hoping this will help me cast my heavy set-up with a more smooth and quiet stroke.

    Along the same lines as having a quiet stroke...very good advice...I have to work on having a more stationary stroke. When I first started skagit casting, I would start my stroke on one side of the boat and by the time I was finished casting I would be clear on the other side of the boat. As I may have mentioned, I'm no expert...I'm not even an advanced beginner.

    Thanks so much for all the help.

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