Braided loops question?

saflyfish

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Hi guys

I have white braided loops on the end of my trout lines.
Id like to change them to 100% clear loops (like 100% clear mono) but cant seem to source them.Most of these loops are white.Any idea where i can get?

Alternatively i could tie a nail knot onto my lines but it would mean cutting back fly line every time.Ive also thought about using a green permanent marker to make the loop a dark green.

I just suspect a brown/green line running onto a white loop then onto clear mono cleader may spook the fish...
 

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I don't know if it is spooking fish, but you can nail knot a section of mono with a loop tied into it. You can also make a loop on the end of your fly line. Check you tube for adding a whip finish loop to your fly line and you'll see a video on it. Not too hard to do.
 

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A bit fly line weight orientated (you didn't mention) but choose a spool of main line mono of tip of line matching size. The two have to be very similar in thickness! Double knot about 12'' of same to the end of fly line. Loop on end of that and just attach your leader (loop to loop).

The "12 inches" may have to be adjusted a tad shorter, but not longer. The 'transfer of energy' from the line/through the butt section into the leader will work just fine 95% of the time.
 

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If you can ever find any Gudebrod 35 lb. butt leader, you can make great braided loops out of it. Great material, but it is very hard to find.
 

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I have very strong doubts that the loop connecting your line to leader is spooking fish. I don't know where or how you are fishing but unless you were using a very short leader there should be no problem. Ever since I began reading posts on the internet I've seen a lot of what might be overthinking some aspects of the game. If you are sure fish are spooking I would look at other possibilities other than my line to leader connection. I used to use braided loops dry fly fishing on some very tough waters when I lived in the Mid Atlantic area and never felt the loop spooked fish. This does not mean yours is not but there may be something else at play.

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If you can ever find any Gudebrod 35 lb. butt leader, you can make great braided loops out of it. Great material, but it is very hard to find.
I have managed to find some gudebrod 35lb
waiting for it in the post
Is it close to clear mono?

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I have very strong doubts that the loop connecting your line to leader is spooking fish. I don't know where or how you are fishing but unless you were using a very short leader there should be no problem. Ever since I began reading posts on the internet I've seen a lot of what might be overthinking some aspects of the game. If you are sure fish are spooking I would look at other possibilities other than my line to leader connection. I used to use braided loops dry fly fishing on some very tough waters when I lived in the Mid Atlantic area and never felt the loop spooked fish. This does not mean yours is not but there may be something else at play.

Ard
Yes you are probably correct BUT in my mind im thinking it may.Good chance im over OCD about stuff like this.I overthink everything way too much.
 

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I'm afraid that due to the nature / properties of braided mono it will not look entirely clear as a single strand would. I'll be interested to hear if you'll report once it arrives.
 

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Hardyreels,just received the Gudebrod 35lb braided mono
Its unfortunately no where close to clear.
It looks white to me...so bummed

Going to do a needle/nail knot instead or weld a loop myself
 

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OK, let's make this as easy as possible.

Method #1:

Buy or use the leader that you will most often use. Unwrap it and take the leader butt and put it next to the end of the fly line and compare diameters. If the leader butt is about the diameter of the diameter of the fly line or just a bit thinner, cut off the leader loop and nail knot the leader butt to the end of the fly line.

If the leader is much thicker, find an area of the butt that is about the diameter of the fly line, cut and nail knot at this point.

You can use the nailless nail knot instead of a true nail knot.

Gary Borger » Nailless Nail Knot

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLyVtgNGQkM[/ame]

When the leader wears out, cut the leader leaving about 8" of the butt nail knotted to the fly line. Tie a perfection loop into the end of the this section and then use it to connect new leaders with a loop to loop connection

It will cast as if your new leader was nail knotted to the fly line. Both the diameter and stiffness of the nail knotted mono butt will match your new leader.



If the butt is less than 3/4 of the diameter of the end of the fly line, go to method 2.

Method #2:

Get a section of stiff mono that is about the diameter of the fly line and tie it to the end of the fly line with a nail knot. Cut it leaving about an 8" section and tie perfection loop. Now connect the leader with a loop to loop connection.

I use Maxima Chameleon for stiff mono.

 

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Hardyreels,just received the Gudebrod 35lb braided mono
Its unfortunately no where close to clear.
It looks white to me...so bummed

Going to do a needle/nail knot instead or weld a loop myself
I have quite a few welded loop lines and found that continued use of mono leaders connected to the soft vinyl loop will cut through them. In order to put a stop to that I make a double braided loop to connect leaders. This will defeat what you are looking to achieve so perhaps a nail knotted butt or blind splice will be your answer. If you get it just right you can create a perfection loop that is very close to the fly lines tip. With that you can change leaders at will and never worry about the loop cutting. Sooner or later the line will form a break at the nail knot due to wear and you have to redo. I figured the braid would be white because I've never seen any clear braids.
 

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Hardyreels,just received the Gudebrod 35lb braided mono
Its unfortunately no where close to clear.
It looks white to me...so bummed

Going to do a needle/nail knot instead or weld a loop myself
As others have mentioned when clear mono is bundled up together like that it appears white in color.
I made some loops from the same material and although they appear white, if you hold them up to any light source they are 100% clear. They may not look like they are clear, but its definitely clear mono just the nature of the material.
 
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