Can i use florocarbon tippet for dry flys?

el sabroso

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Somebody told me it sinks


Ive used it for nymphing


Should i use monofilament for drys? Or does floro work for drys too?


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You want your dry fly tippet to sink
Otherwise it's like an arrow in the surface film point to the fly saying "look, I'm a fraud !"
 

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The answer is "Yes". See Rip's answer and that is why I use it on dry flies. Contrary to the opinion of many its density does cause it to cut the surface film, but it does not pull your dry fly under any more than nylon mono does.

Kelly.
 
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I don't even own any non-fluoro tippet material . . . no one I fish with seems to own any either.

They say great minds think alike, apparently so to do mediocre ones. ;)
 

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I always use floro, stronger and easier to change from dry to wet flies presentation.

btw, I thought you were the guy who ties his flies straight to the leaders and hates the extra knots?
 

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I have a foot in both camps......
1st. I don't totally agree, but Like Rip said a leader shadow is bad. So true....
2nd. Either mono, or flouro, if stuck in the surface tension, will cause a shadow.
3d. Once the tippet breaks through the meniscus, mono will hover just beneath the "ceiling" (as it's less dense than water), where flouro will slowly continue to sink (as it's more dense). It may not pull your fly under as Kelly said, but it does move them closer together if fishing dry w/dry dropper.
I suspect that part of the sinking leader, comes from the current getting a hold of the tippet, after it breaks through the tension.
This isn't my opinion, it's physics. But, I have tested......
Now, if fish don't know about leader shadows, then never mind. Use either.
Personally, mono has some stretch to it, which I think helps me not break off bigger fish when fishing very small dries.
Flouro seems to be tougher or nick resistant, but has no stretch, and so it's the rod and your touch that determines outcome.
When fishing dries, I use mono and mud it to lose the shadow.
If I'm nymphing I use flouro to not fight my fly's descent.
Do I think it matters for majority of fish that folks here pursue...no.
Do I think it matters to the most difficult fish you will chase.... yes.
Anytime you have high pressure fish, it's the details that count.

Jim
 
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In fast water with a tiny dry, I use mono. I figured anything to help keep it up..... Should I not??
 

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I hesitate to even start.......
We have a small stream here that gets a bunch of pressure.
Fish can go up to 30" or so.....
These wild fish know what's up.
Early in the season they may fall with 5x tippet.
But after that, it's 6x, and still later 7x.
There are few things harder than landing a fish that size on spider silk.
Just between us....I mud my leader and stay with 5x.......would you rather fight a big fish on 6lb, or 2.5lb?
If sun is on the water, I hide my leader shadow.
My mantra, "If I can see my leader, THEY can see my leader."
In moving water, the surface is broken enough to not worry so much.
In glass......worry.

Do your own clinic in 8" of water....check out that shoe lace sized shadow on the bottom.
Now, mud that leader and repeat clinic.
As a friend says....would you eat a pizza with a rope tied to it?

Jim
 
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i hesitate to even start.......
We have a small stream here that gets a bunch of pressure.
Fish can go up to 30" or so.....
These wild fish know what's up.
Early in the season they may fall with 5x tippet.
But after that, it's 6x, and still later 7x.
There are few things harder than landing a fish that size on spider silk.
Just between us....i mud my leader and stay with 5x.......would you rather fight a big fish on 6lb, or 2.5lb?
If sun is on the water, i hide my leader shadow.
My mantra, "if i can see my leader, they can see my leader."
in moving water, the surface is broken enough to not worry so much.
In glass......worry.

Do your own clinic in 8" of water....check out that shoe lace sized shadow on the bottom.
Now, mud that leader and repeat clinic.
As a friend says....would you eat a pizza with a rope tied to it?

Jim

mud the leader???????
 

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Sorry, had a brisk week of guiding and didn't get back right away.
Loon brand sells "Snake river mud". (A clay, you have to work up a little slurry w/water first. Or swim.....)
Which is better than looking around for some......
The Brits figured this leader shadow thing, about 150 years ago, or so.....they use Fullers earth.
My experience, is that it takes discipline to use it.
But, I don't leave home without it....
If you have a drift.....and a good fly, it's the final step. The secret sauce.....
I give my leader a little sharp pull to get it to break through the meniscus, and viola no shadow..
Do the clinic yourself......with Mono, and then Flouro.

Jim
 
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I agree with the use of Mud. If you use river mud (get your hands dirty) or Snake River mud paste from Loon or others. I use Loon Mud because I have access to (we sell it) it and it works. I have been using it more and more with each trip out. In the past, I would only spend the extra minute of applying it after I could not entice a specific fish. Now, I find myself reaching for the Mud just after tying on a new fly. When fishing heavily pressured fish, it really does help.

 

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My experience over thirty years with this mud stuff keeps me using it.
Glad someone is willing to test tippet....
Can't imagine anything less fun......unless it's on fish.
My testing, although slightly less rigorous, led me to use the strongest rated leader and knots. Go figure.....
Now, just gotta find some fish.....

Jim
 

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My experience over thirty years with this mud stuff keeps me using it.
Glad someone is willing to test tippet....
Can't imagine anything less fun......unless it's on fish.
My testing, although slightly less rigorous, led me to use the strongest rated leader and knots. Go figure.....
Now, just gotta find some fish.....

Jim
Well Jim... You taught me something new, again! I'll have to look into it.

Just to be clear... Does "actual" mud work too? I mean if I'm fishing stream "side", can I just reach down and grab me a handful of dirt? ;)

Also, is the idea to cover just the tippet with mud, then give the line a quick tug to get the tippet to break through the surface tension of the water?

Thanks,

Todd

BTW... Where do you guide? (EDIT: Found it in your signature)
 
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