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As a newbie, I'm learning much here and have many questions. Here's a couple:

Anybody ever use tiny live or pieces of live baits when fly fishing?

Also, with floating lines is it possible to use wet flies, by adding some sort of weights to push down the line?

Thanks, GB
 

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You will take some hits over the bait thing for sure :D

I fish wets on floating line every time I go fishing, no need to "push the line down". You're gonna do yourself a huge favor if you check at your Public Library to see if they have a copy of, 'Fly Fishing' by Tom McNally. If so check it out and read the book, it will help you to understand so much about this. The book is old (circa 1978) but the information is timeless.

Whatever you do, please stay with us and post your questions. Getting hold of a book like the one I suggested will really help you a bunch but the members here will help you also.

Welcome to the forum,

Ard
 

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Back when I was a kid I'd fish a worm on my fly rod.
It wasn't unusual and everyone that I knew at the time that fished with a fly rod did the same thing on occasion. And not just kids.
I don't think you'll find too many folks that do that now though.
 

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Anybody ever use tiny live or pieces of live baits when fly fishing?
A lot of people start out using a fly rod that way, either because they are young and can't really cast the fly, or don't have the confidence in the fly alone.

One of my buddies I fished with as an early teen started out that way but within a season or two he switched to nothing but flies. Since then, he's caught more Atlantic salmon than anyone I know, and probably more out of the Brewer side of the Bangor salmon pool (when it was still there) than anyone alive.

Once you start hooking up with fllies, every other way seems second best.
 

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Thanks for your responses, everybody!

Actually I started flycasting 65 years ago as a youngster with an uncle. We fished for smallmouth bass as we waded along the beach of Saginaw Bay near Port Austin, Mi. Never used a fly. (I think that was done mostly by trout flyfishermen.) We used a spinner with a porkrind trailer and did pretty well. Also, back in those days the reel retrieve was with the right hand, whereas now it is with the left hand for us righthanders. However, I stopped fishing eons ago, but now am disabled to a point where there is no more golf or other outdoor activities for me. So I said, what the heck, never give up, find something! Fishing has become that something and particularly fly. Can't use boats, so canals, ponds and shorelines along Lake Okeechobee, Fl, are my venues. Starting to have fun :). Look forward to exchanging stuff on here--info for me and probably laughs at me for you.

GB

Oh and Hardyreels, I've read all sorts of stuff to begin with and am finding forums like this are the places to continue my ongoing education. Incidentally, I bought and am using as my fishing "bible" the LL Bean book on flyfishing. Terrific resource!
 
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Hi GB,As Ard has said you might cop a bit of Flack as Fly Fishing & Bait Fishing doesn't Rythmmme.
Again as Ard has mentioned Floating Lines are used for Wet Fly Fishing,to get The Flies down I'd rather add weight in The Body of a Fly or use Bead Heads,Split Shot can be used however you have to be careful not to hit The Rod with them as it can & usually does damage The Rod.
Brian.
 

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I think Nick Adams used live bait with a fly rod, so you have Hemingway on your side. If people pick a fight, I think Hemingway is a good guy to have backing you up :) It's all about how you want to fish, if it's legal then go for it. I don't use live bait personally but don't get offended if others do as long as it's legal.


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some of us still use the Pflueger Medalist reels too. I do use flies but on occasion I will use a little 'scent' on a fly to get rid of my 'stink'. :eek: IMO, flies, rubber, spinners, small hard baits, are all good to go. Whatever floats your boat. I love my fly rods.:sorry:
 

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Im not a live bait guy, but I have tossed the occasional senko with a fly rod.

Pay no attention to the purists who think you should be condemned to flyfishing purgatory because you toss something other than a fly.

A fly rod is simply just another tool to deliver a bait/fly/lure to trick a fish into biting your presentation.
 

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It has been a while since I have done so, but I used to keep a bare hook in my fly box to put the occasional beetle or hopper on to see the fish's reaction to certain bugs. Amazing to see them attack a live beetle after ignoring many flies. After that I would try to tie the same bug at home for future use.
 

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Anybody ever use tiny live or pieces of live baits when fly fishing?
When fishing Cedar Cr., a small tributary to the North Fork of the Shenandoah, in Middletown, VA, I found monster smallmouth feeding exclusively on these huge 1" wide X 6" hellgrammites. I didn't have any flies that would interest them, so I netted a few hellgrammites and added them to a black wooly bugger. I caught 5 smallmouth that were over 3 lbs and one was an easy 4+. It was worth it... There, I admitted it and the healing can now begin.

I stopped by Harry Murray's shop in Edinburg, VA and told him about not having a fly and he introduced me to his lead eye patterns: Strymph and Swimming Hellgrammite. In the right conditions, that is moderately swift water, cobblestone river bottom and the presence of hellgrammites and these patterns will outfish anything.
 

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Anybody ever use tiny live or pieces of live baits when fly fishing?

Also, with floating lines is it possible to use wet flies, by adding some sort of weights to push down the line?

Thanks, GB
On the first question, No is the answer. I bait fish occasionally, but never have with a with a fly rod. I recently thought it might be a good way to teach someone how to fight a big fish on a fly rod--hooking a carp on corn isn't too hard and then you can learn to handle a fish with the long rod. A newbie flyfisherman might be waiting for a while before they get a chance with a big fish on an actual fly.

The second question is part of an eternal debate. Weight the fly? use split shot? (or both?) invest in sinking lines? I recently got myself a sink tip for my floating line.... and soon had the loop connection fail and the thing fly off forever lost into the depths. :eek:
 

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I'm glad Mosca broke the ice. I was biting my tongue a bit there, not so much to the OP but some of the other comments. Fly fishing to me is just that fishing a fly, not a rubber worm, not a fly dipped in attractant and not garden hackle. Then it becomes fishing with a fly rod, I don't go into the woods with a cross bow and call it bow hunting. Call it splitting hairs or being a purist just don't call baiting or doping a fly fly fishing. Rant over I'll go crawl back under my purist rock now.;)
 

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When I first started using a fly rod it was actually with grubs. It was deadly. Simple roll cast, no weight, and I could pound the stocked trout. Interesting enough, I used flies on a spinning rod (11' noodle rod) before I used them on my fly rod. After a while, pounding 40 fish a day with grubs on a fly rod bored me, so I started using some of the flies that I used on my spinning noodle rod on my fly rod (novel idea, I know). Success was limited but I found that I could catch fish on the fly rod with flies and evolved to the point that I only fished flies, which I do now many years later. My point, it got me started using a fly rod... but it ain't fly fishing.

Cheers,
Mike.
 

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I actually DO use live bait presented on a bare hook using the fly rod for one thing - the stocked trout in the local lake each spring.
Those fish are doomed (the water gets far too warm for the trout to survive the summer), they are stocked to encourage the purchase of fishing licenses and attract people to fishing, they are intended to be caught and taken home for consumption, and the fly rod is a very good method (my favorite) to present the bait to the fish.
It's legal, and as far as I'm concerned ethical (just as ethical as using any other type of tackle to catch a mess of trout).

I also hunt with a crossbow in archery season! It's legal, and I might add if you ever actually shoot/hunt with a crossbow you will soon see they are just another way to launch an arrow - and the arrow is still subject to the same laws of gravity as any other arrow launched with any other type of bow!

Summary:
Worm on a hook attached to a fly, spincast, baitcast, or spinning rod and cast into the water = fishing.
Arrow launched from a longbow, recurve, compound, or crossbow at game = bowhunting.
 

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This post is not to disparage anyone or any sort of fishing but to remind readers that this forum is called The North American Fly Fishing Forum. The majority of persons who consider themselves fly fishers use traditional fly fishing tackle and their lures are constructed using bits of feathers - furs - and other materials including synthetic types. These 'materials' are wound around the shank portion of a hook meant to represent insects and or bait fishes and their eggs. These 'flies' are cast using a fly rod and line in a fashion that relies on the heft of the line to propel the nearly weightless offerings into the water and to waiting fish. Although there are other definitions of Fly fishing this is what I put forth to the forum. For the definition I'll rely on writings describing the method of fishing the artificial fly that have become part of the record over the past 450 years.

Before this thread becomes a back and forth about what constitutes fly fishing and what does not I am going to lock the thread and ask that we put the matter to rest.

Respectfully,

Ard stetts

Flies;







Fish with artificial fly (streamer) in mouth;



Dry Fly;



Fish with dry fly stuck in mouth;



I'm done, let's let this one go fellas..............................
 
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