Without getting into leader design which has been discussed at length elsewhere and also not to compare Fluro vs. Nylon, the answer is yes, Maxima is yesterdays mono. Today's advanced copolymer formulations are truer in diameter consistency, take better knots, are stronger and more adjustable to moderately stiff to exceptionally supple. For subsurface techniques, Fluro has advantages and for floating dead drift flies I like RIO regular and soft) and Trouthunters.Is Maxima Ultragreen yesterdays news?
What product compares for flexible soft slack leaders? (I know Rio 5x is now 5lb test, but is it stiffer, etc.?)
And does it really matter?
Back when I regularly fished for salmon I had already switched from Maxima to Orvis Super Strong to the dismay of Canadian salmon folk. Moucheur, Have you experimented using RIO Fluroflex? Where I swinging salmon (or steelhead) flies today I would be using Fluorocarbon and surely no Turle Bends.Maxima is thick, stiff, and abrasion resistant -- the exact opposite of supple and thin with high breaking strength. I use it in 8 lb test and up for sea-run Atlantic salmon that typically run 5 to 20+ pounds. I would not use it for trout fishing.
Haven't used Rio but have used Umpqua and Climax. Frankly I don't think the salmon care that much, although the colored Ultragreen or Chameleon may be a bit better than clear mono in stained water. The guides where I fished last summer (Sand Hill River in Labrador) were adamant about Maxima Chameleon, so that's what I used. It is definitely stiffer than regular mono.Back when I regularly fished for salmon I had already switched from Maxima to Orvis Super Strong to the dismay of Canadian salmon folk. Moucheur, Have you experimented using RIO Fluroflex? Where I swinging salmon (or steelhead) flies today I would be using Fluorocarbon and surely no Turle Bends.
This is exactly what I use Maxima for. For the rated breaking strength it seems to be much higher diameter than the Rio tippet I use, but it may also be a little under-specced. I have several spools from 35lb down to 6lb, and I use it for the butt and mid section of streamer leaders or other creations.All the Maxima mono lines (clear, ultragreen, & chameleon) are stiffer, thicker, and more abrasion resistant than pretty much all the mono tippet material out there. Maxima is great for the stiff butt sections of hand tied leaders or as tippet where you want a stiff, strong mono, and don't care about diameter. I use ultragreen swinging for steelhead, but I'd never use it for trout, it's just too stiff.
I do hope that is just meant as a reference to Dickens and not an insult, by the way Mr Bumble did not serve gruel to anyone, he was the beadle, he kept order and dealt with petty offenders.and BTW Mr. Bumble...are you still serving watery gruel to the boys and do you still regard the law as an asssss
Of course Dickens no insult intended...it was Mrs. who kept to poor house for boys and Oliver but it was his responsibility as Beadle...thus Dickens' respondeat superior husband to wife's conduct...and Bumble's assss retort...chancery/equity courts could trump law courts...but until merged hard row to hoeI do hope that is just meant as a reference to Dickens and not an insult, by the way Mr Bumble did not serve gruel to anyone, he was the beadle, he kept order and dealt with petty offenders.
So, without the eyeroll , do you think the Rio is indeed stiffer and will not pile in a slack leader like the Maxima Ultragreen. I value opinions.Oh dear, another tippet debate, the fact is you use what you have most confidence in.
I have had the lot, gave it all away and stick to Maxima, why?, because of it's shock resistance. So many times fluoro has let me down in that respect that I just can't bring myself to trust it anymore.
Yes Maxima is thick but I just go by diameter, I'm not heavy handed and have had no trouble landing trout to 7lb on 5lb Maxima. I have landed carp to 14 lb on a 2 1/2 lb hook length so I know I can trust it. The carp was unexpected, not fished for.
9 times out of ten, in the places I fish, it is not the leader that puts fish off it's the clumsy approach that many anglers have, they are the ones who need all the help they can get.