New Carry on size restrictions on American Airlines

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I have been considering a carry on rod case from Fishpond or Orvis, but this makes me wonder whether it would be worthwhile. If this works for American, I suspect other airlines will find it attractive as yet another way to separate passengers from their money. I don't have a problem with sensible and consistent size restrictions for carry ons, but if it is anything other than a cynical money grab, the bag sizer should be at check in, not boarding.

 

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This had to happen,just as it has in the rest of the world.People got fed up with the flagrant abuse of the "carry-on" allowance as the size of the bags that passengers tried to jam in overhead lockers meant that the lockers quickly became full and left no room for others bags....and the bag sizer should be at check-in as Curmudgeon says.
 

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The entire concept of carry on bags is of slight concern to me. In the unlikely event there is a situation calling for emergency evacuation of the cabin it is easy to imagine passengers disregarding the instructions to leave the carry on behind as they slowly make for those window exits. Slow will not be your friend.
 

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I remember on a trip from Indianapolis to Toronto a guy sweating and grunting to get a way oversized bag into the overhead locker. It took ages. At Toronto airport he was again struggling to get it out, we, the rest of the passengers squeezed past him (this was made easier as his sweat was a good lubricant) and left him to it. I heard a flight attendant remark to a colleague if he breaks that door he's in big trouble. I thought enforce the carry on size limit!
 

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It's a matter of what you are trying to carry on...an undergrad or grad wilderness trip bag no or mom's packed your peace corps honduras bag no...however, have always allowed 30" 4 piece whilst its length never fits in their box... its overall dimension is less than the allowed rectangle bag exemplar and carrying on my Orvis/Fishpond 30" case which holds 3-4 rods plus most of my tropical clothes...when asked yes it's my violin case but I have my special flyrods which are like my Strad to me when I'm on holliday..:) my other bag is an Abel either Tackle Bag or smaller Trout...it fits under all cheap seats... allreels extrx clothes...tackle...if i was wading. not now ageist... i would wear them have flops or walking packed
 

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Fly rods of six or seven section fitted into a day pack will easily go under an airline seat. Of course a personal level of comfort in multi section rods is required to fish such equipment. My four section rods fit diagonal in a large North Face bag and go checked.

I have a theory that airlines with happy crews are more reliable at a number of things including getting bags to destination.
 

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Just flew on a flight from SoCal to Bozeman on Avelo and they allowed me to bring a small back pack and my 2 rod tubes as free carry ons.

"Officially," they had the 'size restriction' for my carry ons, but they suggested I carry them on and had no problems with it.

Sucks that other airlines have restrictions on fly rod tubes.
 

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I'm pretty sure I flew AA last summer and they had restrictions for carry ons, but I had heard they still let guys bring their rod carriers on, so I called them and they told me it would be fine. 30" x 4 x 6, something like that. I was ready to pay but they let me do it anyway, no charge. As always a little charm and a smile goes a long ways. Pick the check in girl that seems to be having the best day too.
 

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I'm pretty sure I flew AA last summer and they had restrictions for carry ons, but I had heard they still let guys bring their rod carriers on, so I called them and they told me it would be fine. 30" x 4 x 6, something like that. I was ready to pay but they let me do it anyway, no charge. As always a little charm and a smile goes a long ways. Pick the check in girl that seems to be having the best day too.
Yes it goes a long ways...I fly AA to Key West... Be nice...just an old man goin fishing...yes those are flies in my hat...Key West...don't look like or have two carryons that must go in the overhead...either of my two soft Abel Tackle bags fit under the seat...my trips are usually 5 days, two or three days fishing cannot chance being without the rods and if I should have a mean gate agent...got to check your case sir...it's a gate check just about 100% sure the case is going on the plane so I'll pay...another story actually two both involved conventional two piece blue water rods on my trips to East Cape Baja through Cabo...first Southwest Indpls Denver Cabo two years past, got left in Denver then flown to Portland back down to Cabo 24 hours later SWA did deliver to my hotel East Cape; second last year American IndplsPhoenixCabo got left Indpls TSA inspection delay(perhaps they thought they were Bangalore torpedoes and they jammed the rods back into the case bending two guides and dislodging one roller guide) but then American put them on the same flight next day rather than same day flight through Dallas so it was 72 hour delay after I "discussed" the matter, "Southwest did it in 24 hours," with AA customer service namely erroneous flight and being parked in Cabo for an extra 24 hours before delivery to my East Cape hotel at 7am...what really pssed was waiting at the oversized chute in Cabo seeing all the full sized golf bags and surf boards and boogie/body boards coming off...to be fair, however, in 15 to 20 trips to Cabo with rods only two times ...but it's enough for me... never check my fly rods







 

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Thanks for tips!
Let me reiterate...the prohibitions are oversized and one of the two that you carry-on must fit under the forward seat...so what American might start doing is measuring those hardshell roller bags to see if they will fit in the measuring box just before you board which they won't so pay up...I don't carry on those but a soft Abel Tackle Bag which will fit under seat and will fit in their measuring box because it's malleable...the rod tube or "violin" case won't fit under seat and is not malleable; however, it fits in the overhead and its aggregate measurement is equal to or less than the aggregate measurement of their carry-on bag... 45 linear inches

American Airlines (AA) allows 1 carry-on bag and 1 personal item (purse, briefcase, laptop bag) per passenger fee free. Carry-on should not exceed the following size and weight restrictions: 45 linear inches (22 x 14 x 9 in) or 115 centimeters (56 x 36 x 23 cm) including handles and wheels.

Only once in the past 30 years has my Abel Tackle bag been questioned...it was on a Delta flight to Nassau...As I started down the ramp she asked "sir is that you laptop bag?" "No mam, it's my purse..."
 

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The 9ft rod version of the Orvis Carryitall is designed bang on the AA (=standard international) carry on baggage limits. That's why I bought one - but I've never used it. The 10ft rod version is too big.

What I don't get is the obsession with carrying everything on. You can't carry on a knife, scissors, anything that might be used as a weapon or more than 100ml of suncream or insect repellent, so just check everything up to the 50lb limit and walk light through the airports.
 

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What I don't get is the obsession with carrying everything on
It's about risk. To me, it's better to feel like I'm a pack mule versus losing expensive rods, reels, or flies you spents months tying for a big trip. I'll check the replacables but not the things that aren't (or aren't easily replaced).
 

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What I don't get is the obsession with carrying everything on. You can't carry on a knife, scissors, anything that might be used as a weapon or more than 100ml of suncream or insect repellent, so just check everything up to the 50lb limit and walk light through the airports.
It's about risk. To me, it's better to feel like I'm a pack mule versus losing expensive rods, reels, or flies you spents months tying for a big trip. I'll check the replacables but not the things that aren't (or aren't easily replaced).
Here's some examples of why I carry on my rods and reels whenever possible:

1. On a trip about 5 years ago, my checked bag with my boots, waders and clothes got "misrouted" by the airline (while I can't be 100% sure, I'm almost certain it was done intentionally by the check-in agent who got up on the wrong side of bed; she was the only agent and once the customer ahead of me handed over his checked bag, I was the only customer there--but yet my bag ended up being tagged with a bar code for a different passenger, presumably the guy ahead of me, to a different city; the agent had misunderstood something I said and got snooty and I can only think the mis-tagging of my bag was intentional/payback). I certainly could have borrowed a rod and reel from the guide just as I did borrow boots and waders, but I prefer to use my own stuff.

2. Two years ago I went to South America. My flight from the US to South America was on a foreign carrier and they don't allow rods and reels to be carried on and so I put my 3 rods in a homemade tube made out of PVC pipe inside my large gear/duffel bag. My trip to my ultimate destination involved two flights in the US, the international flight on the foreign carrier and then another flight within my destination country. When I got to the lodge to unpack, I discovered that my PVC tube had been opened and only 2 of the rods had been placed back in. The third rod, in its sock, was placed back in the duffel bag unprotected, alongside my boots, waders, other gear, etc. I didn't open my bag along the way and so have no idea whether it was opened by TSA or by the foreign country's security, but I was just amazed that it didn't break even if only exposed for one of those 4 flights. I imagine having a tube opened is a rare thing, and even more rare for the contents to not be returned, but still it did happen.

3. On my return flight from that same South American trip, my bag was severely damaged; not surprising as I saw the baggage handlers on the tarmac just heaving the bags. Tubes, whether PVC or the manufacturer's, offer good protection, but given how bags are handled I prefer to carry-on whenever possible.

In terms of the original topic, I don't know that American's policy has really changed in terms of what's allowed. Most airlines seem to have a policy that is inconsistent on its face. They say you can carry on up to 45 linear inches, but then often also say it has to fit in the 22x14x9 box, suggesting that an item that totals only 40" but has a 24" length would be oversized. As mentioned above, a smile goes a long way and I also think a lot depends on how full the flight is and at what point you're boarding. Where American's policy seems to have changed is in charging for bags that are attempted to be carried on but are required to be checked at the gate because they're oversized. I don't know what the official policy is/was, but in recent years I've witnessed people in that situation getting their oversized bag checked for free at the gate. So best case one could sneak an oversized bag on; worst case it got checked but they avoided the $35-40 fee that the honest guy paid at the curb or the baggage drop-off counter outside of security.
 

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Airlines can't this figure out:


The answer is so simple they should just try and take a flight sometime, sit between two goliaths in a coach class middle seat, without all the perks of being an airline employee.
 

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Guys my reason for carrying on is when I'm doing a five day trip 3 or 4 days fishing my landing destination is not my fishing destination...exception Key West...even at Key West lost rods mean I'm not, at best, getting my flyrods to fish until day two or three of fishing... first day fishing out early...second day out early...as for out country Bahamas or Mexico or Belize etc you're fishing lodge is 25-50 miles or more from your international carrier so no rods for your stay...my lost rods occurred on my recent trips(last three years) to Los Cabos two times last 3 years(out of six trips)...have to check blue water conventional...Southwest miss-placed my rods they drove them up the afternoon of the second day while I was out fishing using three borrowed rods but I had my reels...American next took three days plus a call suggesting that they had numerous flights from Houston and Dallas that my rods could have been on the first or even the second day...they were miss-placed in Indy
 

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I flew American to Roatan Island in May and carried on my rod case no problems. Just a data point for you. Next time I may be rejected. And I will be prepared for that. BTW, landed three permit. Had at least half dozen more eats. A good week.
 
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