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nickj 04-20-2012 06:10 PM

West Canada River- NY
I've gained- by marriage- a summer cottage in the Barneveld area. I'm going to spend some time there end of June/beginning of July. I haven't researched it yet, but am told the West Canada is C&R Trophy water. What's needed for that time of year?

dharkin 04-21-2012 12:20 PM

Re: West Canada River- NY
You may want to check the canada section of this site. Try Fly Fishing in Canada - The North American Fly Fishing Forum

This may be of some help.

gatortransplant 04-21-2012 12:30 PM

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Nick, I'm sending you a PM with a few sites that have information on that waterway with regard to hatch charts and the like. I'm not posting them here on the thread only because some have their own message boards/forums attached and due to forum rules thats a no-no. I'm in Buffalo most the year and I'd love to shoot out that way (it's 3-4 hours driving for me directly east, since Barneveld is directly east of Syracuse and pretty much dead-center of Central NY) for a scouting trip for you, but that time of year I'm usually away do to fieldwork. I'll see what I can do!

peregrines 04-21-2012 03:55 PM

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It's a great stream-- AJ's hatch charts should get you squared away with flies.

Here's a link to NYS DEC web page on West Canada Creek-- on the right you'll see links to maps of different sections showing public access ( stream easments and parking) Fishing the West Canada Creek - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

nickj 04-21-2012 05:17 PM

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Great, thanks, guys.

dharkin 04-22-2012 01:15 PM

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Hope I didn't do anything wrong! If I did, please let me know.


fire instructor 04-22-2012 02:24 PM

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Talked to a local from the West Canada / Hinkley Reservoir area a couple of weeks ago, and there is considerable concern over the lack of snow, lack of runn-off causing very low water, even this early in the season. June / July could likely be worse!

Hinkley has has drought concerns in several recent years, and those were years with higher snow fall / spring thaw water totals.

nickj 04-22-2012 03:26 PM

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Hincley's at 1219 today, spillway is 1225. That seems like a pretty big river to be affected enough to cause concern, no. Or is there a drop-dead level at which the water release slows enough to bring the temps up in the river?

fire instructor 04-22-2012 04:17 PM

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I honestly don't know enough about it as a fishery. I only fished there once, many years ago, before I took-up fly-fishing.

However, with my work hat on (I am Chief of Training & Exercise for NY State Office of Emergency Management), I can tell you that Hinkley Reservoir water release has been a huge political hot-potato in at least 2 or 3 of the last 10 years, with local battles between the Canal Authority, the power producer (Brookfield?)), the county water authority, and several other parties. This has resulted in State Drought Taskforce Meetings, Legislative Hearings, and a handful of legal actions and other administrative and media vulgarities.

As it was explained to me (and I'm not 100% read-into the matter), the ultimate water rights belong first to the power producer, then the Canal Authority, and only THEN to the Water Authority, however the water authority is rapidly expanding and seems to need more and more water every year. So the fishery and the other recreational users, both above and below the dam, are the ones who suffer....

At least twice in the last few years, water levels dropped in late Summer to the point that boat owners couldn't get their mud-bound boats out. One year (2008 or '09?) it happened before Labor Day, and vacation property owners who usually pull boats and docks on Labor Day Weekend were left high and dry.

As the power producer and the Canal Authority draw off water for their purposes, the water level drops to the point that the Water Authority intakes can no longer be safely and effectively supplied. So in the end, it also becomes a health and safety issue....

mattwolf 04-22-2012 07:15 PM

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I sent you a pm

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