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  1. #11
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    Default Re: California Trout Anglers Speak Up.

    You guys are freaking out about nothing.
    I grew up where youíre talking about fishing.
    Commiefornia has so many laws its ridiculous.
    Thatís why I left the state

    I live now where you can fish 24/7 365 days a year
    We have no lack of fish here.

    Carry on

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    and why do they want them killed? TU has the biggest hand in native fish environments and this is a noble cause as well. I feel like the biologists understand your concerns but the science backs them up in a stronger manner. I can feel your passion for this but the reasons you pronounce are making the other group of the angling public very happy while it is aggravating some.

    Eradication of non-native species is a HUGE point of contention amongst anglers and CA doesn't have that market cornered. take a look at the endangered fish recovery program in Western Colorado....Watching the CPW shock and throw in a bucket some of the most beautiful wildly raised fish in the world is heartbreaking to many.

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    Heartbreaking is right, tight lines.

  4. #14
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    Default Re: California Trout Anglers Speak Up.

    I will have to read through this a few more times but, what I have read so far is not encouraging and does nothing to simplify the regulations for the fisherman. The biggest puzzlement so far is the removal of all gear restrictions from several waters that are currently artificially only or fly only. I guess the idea is that they do not need to patrol the water if it is open year round and subject to no gear restrictions so I guess it simplifies the game wardens job anyway.


    Regards,

    Tim C.

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    Our local flyfishing club posted this email to its members:
    "At the March 28 board meeting, our Board of Directors voted unanimously in opposition of the revisions to the California Department of Fish & Wildlife’s Freshwater Sport Fishing Regulations. Centered around a proposed simplification to the regulations, which includes moving all such waters in the state, unless specifically designated otherwise, to a year-around season, five-fish daily limit and no specific gear restrictions, the effects would be far reaching and generally still an unknown for the Department.

    While the changes to the regulations for each water across the state are too numerous to count, even for the department when such information was requested, we hope to outline a number of the more impactful changes in future updates.

    It is the intention of the board to sign on to a full set of comments, and provide our membership with a form to fill in and submit your own, and we appreciate your input as we draft these items. Board members will attend the April 6th public meeting to be held at Bass Pro Shops in Rancho Cucamonga from 12 - 2 p.m., where questions and concerns may be directed at department staff. We encourage you to attend in force and to be respectful, but passionate, in your expression of the need for (1) attention to the protection and restoration of our wild and native fisheries, (2) less reliance (and expenditures) on hatchery stock, and (3) specific research into the potential impacts of these changes on the individual fisheries.

    The board favors increased angling opportunities and recruitment, but not at the cost of the long-term health of our prized lakes and streams. Unless or until the department is able to support its proposed revisions with evidence our fisheries can sustain the increased harvest and stress, without increased supplemental hatchery plantings, we will stand firm in our opposition."
    There's not a day that goes by that I don't wonder how dreary this world would be if elk were bald and birds had no feathers.
    - Hank Patterson

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  8. Default Re: California Trout Anglers Speak Up.

    https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Licensing/Statistics

    I unfortunately live in Cali. Fishing is a dying sport. 10% had a fishing license in 1970 3% have one today. There are only 1/2 as many fishermen in the 1970's while state population has doubled!

    So if the DFG is shrinking its budget and manpower to meet those stats, deregulation make sense too. Personally, I don't need laws to make me use a barbless hook or release my fish. I embrace more FREEDOM!

    Education has always worked better than laws anyway. We make laws when people act dumb. Lets teach fishermen to be smart. Next time you are slaying it out there and cringe at the fish handling of the guy you see down stream, why not introduce yourself. Give him a cripple emerger and show him how to fish it. He will see your kind fish handling skills. We all want to be better fishermen, and that includes good fish handling, help another guy out and help the sport and fishery at the same time.

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    Default Re: California Trout Anglers Speak Up.

    Fatbillybob,

    When looking at license sales you also need to consider those do not take into consideration the anglers with lifetime licenses. They sell about 4000-5000 of those each year. I do not recall when the lifetime license program started, but before there were also lifetime stamps and report cards, the stamps and report cards sales were greater than the license sales by a considerable amount because the people with lifetime licenses only needed to get cards and stamps each year. I wonder if there is a count of the lifetime licenses sold and if someone dies or moves away if the count gets corrected somehow?

    Regards,

    Tim C.

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    As far as I can see the DFG (DFW) is not shrinking its budget.

    609,000,000 in 2018-2019, 600 in 2017-2018, 464 in 2016-2017, 498 in 2015-2016, 408 in 2014-2015.

    Their responsibilities are immensely greater than just checking angler's licenses and hunter's tags, and their budget and funding are in no way related to simply the number of anglers and hunters.

    Their new funding source, with CA Parks, is 20% of the marijuana tax.

    So, help a fish, smoke more dope.
    Last edited by acorad; 04-13-2019 at 09:05 PM.

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    Well I reviewed both the original document and the proposed changes. It is a mixed bag and the waters are not listed in the same order for both documents so it makes it difficult to compare but I did my best by looking for the waters I frequent the most. I found that most changes are either removal of gear restrictions to allow bait etc, removal of size limits, a season start and end date change, and sometimes a change that allows for lures and flies when before it was only flies. Many of the waters I fish had no changes that I could tell but maybe that means they get the new season and no gear restrictions unless specified?

    If you are interested this is the waters I thought were most impacted that I go to. (A bit long)

    American River, North Fork, Middle Fork, South Fork and their tributaries above Folsom Lake (Placer, Eldorado, Amador, and Alpine cos.).
    Change to allow fishing Open All year, allow 5 fish bag limit, remove all gear restrictions.

    Carson River, East Fork from Hangman’s Bridge downstream to Nevada State Line.
    Currently open All year. Only artificial lures with barbless hooks may be used. 0 trout bag limit.
    Change to all year, remove gear restrictions and 5 trout bag limit.

    Fall River from its origin at Thousand Springs downstream to the mouth of the Tule River and including Spring Creek and excluding all other tributaries.
    Retains artificial only but Change to allow open All year and 0 trout bag limit.

    Feather River, Middle Fork (Plumas Co.), from the Union Pacific Railroad Bridge (1/4 mile upstream of County A-23 bridge) to the Mohawk Bridge.
    Change from First Saturday in April through Nov. 15.
    Change to Saturday preceding Memorial Day through the last day in February

    Feather River North Fork from Belden Bridge downstream to Cresta Powerhouse (excluding reservoirs) (Butte and Plumas cos.).
    Change from First Saturday in April through Nov. 15. Artificial lures only.
    Change to Saturday preceding Memorial Day through the last day in February. No gear restrictions.

    Golden Trout Wilderness Area (Tulare Co.), excluding the main stem Kern River (see subsection 7.50(b)(86), and the Tule River drainage (See subsection 7.50(b) (197)).
    Change from First Saturday in April through Nov. 15. Artificial lures only.
    Change to Saturday preceding Memorial Day through the last day in February. No gear restrictions.

    Hat Creek (Shasta Co.) from Lake Britton upstream to Baum Lake, exclusive of the concrete Hat No. 2 intake canal between Baum Lake and the Hat No. 2 Powerhouse.
    Change to Open All year, remove size restrictions, 2 trout bag, artificial lures, remove restrictions on collecting bugs.

    Hot Creek (Mono Co.). Hot Creek from the State hatchery property line to the confluence with the Owens River.
    Change to All year, 0 fish bag, allow artificial lures with barbless hooks not just artificial flies.

    McCloud River from McCloud Dam downstream to confluence of Ladybug Creek downstream to lower boundary of the U.S. Forest Service loop (southern boundary of section 36, T38N, R3W ).
    Change the season from Last Saturday in Apr. through Nov. 15. to Saturday preceding Memorial Day through the last day in February.


    Stanislaus River, Middle Fork (Tuolumne Co.). From Beardsley Dam downstream to the New Melones Reservoir.
    Change to open all year.

    Tuolumne River (Stanislaus and Tuolumne cos.) From O'Shaughnessy Dam (Hetch Hetchy Reservoir) downstream to Clavey River Falls.
    Remove the five section restrictions and make the whole length open all year with a 2 fish bag limit and artificial lures

    There are probably some I missed but like I said they are not all in order so some are more difficult than others.

    Based on my current observations I will probably complain about the following:
    American river, Carson river east fork, Feather River North Fork from Belden Bridge downstream to Cresta Powerhouse, Golden Trout Wilderness Area.

    I have mixed emotions about Hat creek, Hot creek and the McCloud river changes.
    I could go along with Hat creek if it was 0 bag limit, allowing lures in Hot creek may open the door to bait people, McCloud lower section near Ah-Di-Nah could be dangerous for people traveling in to that remote section of dirt road in the winter.


    Regards,

    Tim C.
    Last edited by tcorfey; 04-13-2019 at 11:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcorfey View Post
    Many of the waters I fish had no changes that I could tell but maybe that means they get the new season and no gear restrictions unless specified?
    Tim C.
    Yes, exactly.

    From the proposed DFW rules:

    "Waters that are not located in the proposed table of changes, or stated as “move to 7.0 statewide reg”, will have the following regulation: Open year-round, 5 trout bag, 10 trout possession limit, no gear restrictions."
    Last edited by acorad; 04-14-2019 at 12:03 PM.

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