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Thread: Classic New Zealand Streamers

  1. #21
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    Awesome patterns Chris, you do a great job tying...

    Dan

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    Thanks Dan

    Tamati

    Original tier- Tamati

    Hook- 2-8
    Tag- silver
    Tail- gold pheasent tippets
    Body- red, black and yellow wool with soft red cock tied between each segment
    Collar- soft red cock
    Wing- turkey
    Cheeks- jungle cock tied in at the start of the natural varnish
    Head- Black




    Tamati was an old maori that lived in waipahihi in taupo, the bay called 2 mile bay was once called Tamati bay.It was said that he used the ragwort moth for inspriation but it hardly looks like the moth and on a #2 or 1/0 hook as it was normaly tied was too big but it was a great producer of fish the old tie like this one dissapeared 50 years ago and was replaced by the split tie of the same with a wing of partridge or grouse and bears little resembelince to the old tie many older fishermen are pleased that his name is used ; he was a great old fisherman.

    Chris

  3. #23

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    The split partridge

    Hook- 2-6
    Tail- died cock
    Rib- oval
    Body- wool or chenille
    Wing- split partridge tail
    Hackle- brown
    Cheeks- jungle cock nails
    Head- black

    Ill do a step by step for this one as some people may not have seen this style of tying before

    1 tie in the tail and rib wind the thread to the shoulder (you dont need to be too pickey because wool is prity forgiving)



    2 tie the wool in at this point (thin it 2 strands for #2 hook) wind it to the tail and back and tie off use no more than 3 wraps.



    3 rough the wool up, and tie the wing in (the partridge tail that you split and matched it is best if there is as little as posable of the feathers spine left it will tie in better) give it plenty of wraps (you will remove most of them latter) this is important so the wing dosnt move while you tie it down with the rib



    4 pull on the tip of the wing so the spine rests along the body of the fly, use you bodkin to split the feather where the rib is going to pass through, from this point on dont let pressure off the wing or it will look bad



    5 as you wind the rib forward seperate the feather where the rib will pass through untill you reach the head



    6 when you reach the head with the rib undo the wraps around the butt of the feather and leave 2-3 and tie off the rib tidy the wing up stroke it back too fill the gaps back in (see in this one that the feather has a bow in it because I let go to photograph it halfway along)



    7 tie in the hackle fibers as even as you can for the throat and cover the base of the wing leave space for the jungle cock nails, tie the nails in and finnish the head and varnish I did two flies as the first had a poor rib because I let go to photograph it

    the finnished fly



    This was one of the flies that people came up with when It was made illegal to fish with Bittern and Kiwi flies (endangered native spicies) you cant even possess thease feathers now or import skins (Bittern) the Moari name for Bittern is Matuku which is how these flies were tied and the method that is still used today but with rooster feathers binding the feather to the shaft of the hook if the feather is no longer than twice the length of the hook then the feather will fowl very seldom. the Split partridge was one of the transition flies that lasted the longest because it is a great fly it only stoped being used because 40 years ago the partridge tails were hard to get and the ones you could get cost a small fortune.

    Chris

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    Chris,

    Your flies keep getting better and better. I had no idea that there was such a deep and refined catalog of NZ salmon and trout flies. It looks like you are turning them out in good numbers and having fun doing it.

    Ard

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    Very fine job of tying. Chris, you are getting really good at this. Well done.
    Dan

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    Ard and Dan thank you

    Ard the pattern book is "trout flies in New Zealand" by Keith Draper there are some 50ish pages of streamer/lures in 4 main types, Hackle, Matuku, Pukeko (mainly night flies), and Killer (Ill do a step by step for the Pukeko and Killer flies) and there are two regions that they come from Rotorua/Taupo, and canterbury. the flies so far have been Rotorua/Taupo ties Ill move onto the canterbury flies after the Rotorua/Taupo flies(there are not as many from canterbury and they are not as old)


    Chris
    Last edited by ChrisinselwynNZ; 04-14-2010 at 11:23 PM. Reason: change amount

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    Chris: Keep up the great work, I love the look of the streamers you are posting, very nice indeed!

    Larry

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    Hi Chris,

    Good job. I thought they were nice enough to make it a sticky.

    Frank

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    Thanks Larry and Frank
    Im glad your enjoying them

    Chris
    Last edited by ChrisinselwynNZ; 04-16-2010 at 04:14 AM.

  10. #30

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    Gold Demon

    Hook- 2-6
    Tail- orange
    Body- gold or silver flat
    Throat- orange
    Wing- mallard flank
    Cheeks- jungle cock
    Head- black



    This is an old english pattern that was changed when it came over here, like the silver doctor the more colourful wings have been dropped and replaced with mallard flank, this is what has happend to most of the over seas flies as the exotic feathers were very hard to get and it wasnt long untill jungle cock feathers were no longer used both this fly and the silver doctor were still very popular 30-40 years ago for trout especialy in the Taupo region.

    Chris

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