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    OK, but it seems to me we still haven't answered the Smallmouth question. Here in the Twin Cities, MN, the salt water is a long way away. If I'm going north on the Missisippi, I'll probably take my 8 wt. But on the many MN streams that have good SM fishing, the Predator 6 wt. (which I think is closer to a 7 wt.) is perfect. I liked the idea of the SA 6 wt. Redfish line, because it's 1/2 overweighted. I could also go with a Rio 7 wt. Redfish, uping it another 1/2 wt. Both of these would throw larger flies for SM and get them out in a hurry. Which one would you guys go with?
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    Honestly, I wouldn't get either for use in MN. Besides the fact that both lines will get quite coily in water below 70 degrees, there's also the floatability factor.

    Because saltwater is more dense than fresh water (due to the addition of Na and other heavy stuff), a more dense line will float in it. Saltwater lines are generally a bit more dense than freshwater lines because they will still float in the denser water, and the added density will aid casting in the wind.

    If you want a line that will load up a Predator quick but still be reasonably pliable in MN conditions, I'd look at Rio and SA's bass lines. They're both made for warmer weather, but are still a freshwater line. If you're dead-set on a SW line, SA's Saltwater is made more for east coast conditions and wont turn into a slinky in the cold.

    That SA Magnum Sharkskin is also a heavy line. It doesn't feel as heavy as these guys weighed it, but its definitely a half weight heavy- http://www.flyfishohio.com/Scientifi...n%20Magnum.htm
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    Hi Alligator,

    In one post you asked about a sink tip and then you mentioned a floating line for Smallmouth. Are you thinking about more than one line?

    For a floating line the SA Bass line would give you a good head designed for tossing big flies. If you are fishing lakes it would be a good choice. If you are fishing rivers with currant you might consider the SA Nymph line it is a line that should be more popular. It is designed to cast flies with split shot and would be a good choice in a river with currant. It is an under utilized fly line with a long belly and would toss big flies well. Even the tip is a little bigger around to give more flotation. Its big strength is how well it mends with the long head. Go to the SA site and take a look at these lines. Down at the bottom of the page where these lines are discussed is a link to a data sheet that shows the tapers. The Nymph line is not a distance line but I don't think that is what you want. It can be used with some Spey types of cast because of the long head. Both RIO and SA make similar lines and both are top quality. With a sink tip SA makes many and its is just a matter of picking one you like.

    If you are fishing Smallmouth more than likely the Saltwater lines would not be a good choice as Cliff has pointed out.

    Frank
    Last edited by Frank Whiton; 09-16-2009 at 07:50 AM.

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    Thanks to Cliff, Frank and others!

    I decided to go with a 7 wt. SA bass line and a 7 wt. sinking tip (6 ips). After casting the 6 wt. predator with a 6 wt RIO Grand I had, I decided to go with a 7 wt. From a kayak, I want to pop the cast out quickly and with little back cast. Yes, I did want both. I wanted to be able to get a fly to or near the bottom quickly on these streams, so I went with the sink tip.

    I'll be fishing the Zumbro in SE MN on Sept. 22-23. It's my first time fishing a kayak on a stream, first time fishing for SM from a canoe or kayak and first time with this rig. I'll try to let you know how it goes.

    Everyone's input while I worked my way throught the decission making process was extremely helpful. What a great website!
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    I own a flats fishing guide service that operates out of San Muguel, Cozumel, Mexico. Until recently, my favorite rod was an older G Loomis Mega Taper GLX 8/9 weight rod, 8'6" in length. About a year ago, I received a Redington Predator 9 weight, 8'4" in length. I thought I would use the rod as a back up in the event of an angling emergency. A week after I received the rod I decided to give it a shot on Snook in a mangrove filled lagoon just south of Puerto Aventuras. I quickly discovered that the Redington Predator has great action, a smooth and light swing and a lot of guts in the bottom end. I especially like the 4 section configuration. The next week, I took the rod Bonefishing on Cozumel with the same delightful results. I have discovered that Cortland's 444 Lazer Line Tropical in 9wt Redfish taper is the trick for my casting style (I throw a lot of crab patterns, Epoxy Moes and Gurglers). The line is not effected by the warm water or the heat generated by the Mexican sun. The rod loads quickly and yields accurate casts in windy Yucatan conditions. I have no complaints and only praises for the Redington Predator. It is a bargin for the money and the Predator is now my "go to" rod. I noticed that it is marketed as a Bass rod but it is also a great flats rod...especially for Snook and Baby Tarpon that dominate the lush mangroves. Tom Martin, www.pescamexicana.com

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    Cliff, how do you think that rod would work out against the fish (trout) at Henry's Lake, Strawberry etc. The 6w rod with a 6 or 7w full sink line fishing out of a kickboat.
    Or chucking big streamers in a river.
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    Mojo, I'll throw my opinions out there, but keep in mind that I have actually spent zero time fishing for trout with sinking lines on lakes from a kickboat.

    I don't think its a very ideal stillwater rod for a couple reasons. Its length limits casting distance a bit, and unless you're doing nothing but sight casting to close fish, I would think you'd want a rod that makes booming long casts quite easy. I also wouldn't think you'd want such a short rod for sinking lines, given the need to put the line back on top with a roll cast before re-casting.

    All that said, it is much less tiring to cast all day than a 9' rod with similar power, and will cast 85% as far easily, so maybe that makes it an ideal stillwater rod. You're the one with the stillwater experience, not me.

    Chucking big streamers in a river is a situation where that rod can REALLY shine though. My 6wt with the 6wt Mag Sharkskin line will fling meat like an 8wt, no problem. I think the shorter length also is very adept to hit tighter spots where the toads may be hanging out. There's a couple of local rivers that are outside of the area I normally fish (not too wade-friendly) that are calling out to me and that rod: 40-90' wide, lots of trees and brush, and lots of big bass.

    Two disclaimers: On a huge river where you're wanting to be able to cover the whole thing and know a 10' 7wt would be ideal, a 7' 10" rod obviously isn't ideal. Also, with the shorter rod length, a weighted streamer will be flying even lower during casting, so that should be kept in mind when thinking about driftboat or raft fishing situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCliff View Post
    Mojo, I'll throw my opinions out there, but keep in mind that I have actually spent zero time fishing for trout with sinking lines on lakes from a kickboat.

    I don't think its a very ideal stillwater rod for a couple reasons. Its length limits casting distance a bit, and unless you're doing nothing but sight casting to close fish, I would think you'd want a rod that makes booming long casts quite easy. I also wouldn't think you'd want such a short rod for sinking lines, given the need to put the line back on top with a roll cast before re-casting.

    All that said, it is much less tiring to cast all day than a 9' rod with similar power, and will cast 85% as far easily, so maybe that makes it an ideal stillwater rod. You're the one with the stillwater experience, not me.

    Chucking big streamers in a river is a situation where that rod can REALLY shine though. My 6wt with the 6wt Mag Sharkskin line will fling meat like an 8wt, no problem. I think the shorter length also is very adept to hit tighter spots where the toads may be hanging out. There's a couple of local rivers that are outside of the area I normally fish (not too wade-friendly) that are calling out to me and that rod: 40-90' wide, lots of trees and brush, and lots of big bass.

    Two disclaimers: On a huge river where you're wanting to be able to cover the whole thing and know a 10' 7wt would be ideal, a 7' 10" rod obviously isn't ideal. Also, with the shorter rod length, a weighted streamer will be flying even lower during casting, so that should be kept in mind when thinking about driftboat or raft fishing situations.
    With a 9' rod, I normally throw out an average of 60' to 70' of line. But I'm also above water and at 6'3" I have some long arms. Usually after stripping the line in, it's a 20' pick up. ( I put a dab of UV Knot Sense at 30' and 60' so I know where I am with the line.) I have a Fenwick Ferrulite 5w that's 5'3" long I've used before. Not the best length for stillwater, but it's fun once in a while.
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    I have an 8 weight coming after seeing them at the Fly Fishing Retailer show in Denver last month. Hope to use it on some local pike in small waters here in the UK over the winter and then carp once the water warms up again next year. The ability to throw large flies accurately into small places should be perfect as well as the backbone to turn a hooked fish and get them out of the danger areas. Enjoyed reading all the above reports and am now even more eagerly awaiting the postman!
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    I thought I would revive this thread with a couple of comments and a question. I bought a Predator 6wt and have been searching for a line. I tried a Rio Clouser 6wt which has a 178 gr head. I also have a SA redfish in an 8wt which is a 225 gr line. The 225 gr line feels about perfect to me. I read somewhere that a Redington rep suggested a 6wt Rio Outbound Short which is about 236 gr., so I dont feel the 8wt line is too much.....plus I like it. Here's my question: I'm headed to Maine for a few days of small mouth fishing. I think I can get away with the SA Redfish line in the cold water. I'm not concerned with the floatability issue as Ive used the SA line in fresh water. What do you think about the cold water vs the Redfish line?

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