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    Default It's weenie time

    As I was driving up the Forest Road today, green worms were falling out of the trees and landing on my truck. Although I knew a weenie would be the ticket, I started with a standard wolfe and BHHE dropper. After about 20 minutes and nothing but a single rise to the dry, I tied on a #12 foam winged caddis and a #10 BH green weenie. I was quickly in to the fish.





    A hatchery brook trout. I was fishing a wild stream. The stream I was fishing is a tributary of a stocked stream. The stocked water is 5 miles downstream with numerous barrier falls. Did this guy really swim that far up or is he a product of "bucket biology"? We have had a lot of high water, so I guess it's possible he swam that far and was able to get up and over all the barriers. I have caught bunch of fish in the stream and this is the first ever hatchery fish I have encountered.



    I am also thinking this guy looks a bit like a stocker, but he could be wild.



    The rainbows love the weenie.







    This brown is no monster, but he was the best fish of the day.




    A few more pics.





    No monsters, but the numbers were good. They were very aggressive, striking with great vengeance and furious anger. No fish were caught on the dry, all on the weenie. I had a few strikes and hookups on the dry, but none landed.
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    Default Re: It's weenie time

    Possessed: Congrats on the great looking fish, looks like the green weenie saved the day!

    Larry
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    Default Re: It's weenie time

    Looks like a fun day. The best advice I can offer on whether a fish is wild or the result of stocking is to check the teeth. Stock trout and wild trout of comparable size will have a drastic difference in development of teeth. The stock fish will have teeth similar to #40 grid sandpaper while the stream born fish will have real teeth. I don't know the exact cause for this phenomenon but my best 'educated guess' is the rapid growth rate of the hatchery reared fish. The body quite likely grows disproportionately to the ability for the animals ability to produce the teeth to match. You can look at the fins, the coloration and if harvested, you can check the coloration of the flesh but I go to the teeth first. I could get more technical than that with my guess work but if you start to check them out you'll get the idea of what I'm saying here.

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    Default Re: It's weenie time

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardyreels View Post
    Looks like a fun day. The best advice I can offer on whether a fish is wild or the result of stocking is to check the teeth. Stock trout and wild trout of comparable size will have a drastic difference in development of teeth. The stock fish will have teeth similar to #40 grid sandpaper while the stream born fish will have real teeth. I don't know the exact cause for this phenomenon but my best 'educated guess' is the rapid growth rate of the hatchery reared fish. The body quite likely grows disproportionately to the ability for the animals ability to produce the teeth to match. You can look at the fins, the coloration and if harvested, you can check the coloration of the flesh but I go to the teeth first. I could get more technical than that with my guess work but if you start to check them out you'll get the idea of what I'm saying here.

    Ard
    I appreciate the info. I never knew that about the teeth. It's usually pretty easy to tell the NC stockers from the wild ones. The rainbow is questionable because his color is lacking a bit. His tail and fins looked like that of a wild fish.

    The brook is no doubt a stocker. The stockers here have no color, as the one in the pic. Also, there are no brook trout in the stream I was fishing. Logging extirpated them many years ago.

    Our natives look like this, no mistaking them for a stocker.

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    Default Re: It's weenie time

    The tooth thing is nothing that I have ever read anywhere but the result of years of observation between wild strains of brown and brook trout (Native) where I grew up too. With the brown trout it was more evident than with the brookies but by the time a brook trout would reach 9" they had some real teeth on those jaws also. Here they all have a good mouthful. We have no brook trout but a north west relative, the Dolly Varden Char.

    If you would like to pick up a very informative book about the brook trout get yourself a copy of "Brook Trout" by Nick Karas. His historical accounting of this wonderful species of char is great knowledge to take in. I thought I knew pretty much about them until I got my book from him. It was then that I decided I would need to go fish in Carmans' River on Long Island in order to have a well rounded brook trout experience. Did you know that Long Island New York used to be one of the most famous brook trout fisheries in America? I didn't till I read the book, you seem like a guy who enjoys knowing things and this may be right up your alley.

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    Default Re: It's weenie time

    Nice man! I love Green Weenies! Try one tied like a San Juan with no weight and a dab of gink, FUN STUFF!
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    Default Re: It's weenie time

    Your's, and others pictures of the "green weenie" will make a guy a beleiver. I was sitting here thinking that I'll try it as a dropper this summer in some of the high Sierra pocket water. Now to tie a few.

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    Default Re: It's weenie time

    the "green weenie" is hands down the best bluegill fly ive ever used. many 50+ days on it.

    never used it for trout but its rigged on my 4 weight for a trout excursion tomorrow.

    it is a very productive pattern



    casey


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