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    Quote Originally Posted by sobotkg View Post
    Definitely get to water. Even if there are no fish. The tension of the water on the line changes the resistance experienced by the rod.

    I wondered about that. I will try as soon as possible.

    Thanks,

    John
    “…and sometimes he saw an enormous disk of ocean, a cold, uneasy sea, endless miles of desolation, the comfortless element in which he was at home.”

    Patrick O’Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by sobotkg View Post
    Definitely get to water. Even if there are no fish. The tension of the water on the line changes the resistance experienced by the rod.
    I don't like grass because it causes wear and micro cuts on the fly line, but with a used fly line and a "grass leader," one can simulate the "feel" of water resistance. Make up a few for teaching the roll cast.

    Search for [ame=http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=roll/spey+grass+leader&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8]"Roll/Spey grass leader"[/ame] on Google and click on the first hit. You can modify the leader to make it shorter or longer.
    Regards,

    Silver



    "Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought"..........Szent-Gyorgy

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    During your casting stroke visualize keeping your rod tip on the same plane from back to forward stroke. Dont allow your stroke to present a big arc. during your forward stroke if your line loop is tailing, you most likely are applying to much power+speed too soon. Concentrate on letting "the rod work" with the amount of line your hauling to feel it loading naturally. Grip pressure could be an intrical part of the cast that will tighten everything in your hand and your forearm and may play an important role in your stroke being more jerky and robotic. A good caster will always show a precise and deliberate stroke with good timing on a good cast (narrow loops). Once you have a tight loop coming forward, time the abrupt stop of the rod to allow the line to straighten and lay down softly. If your line slams down or tugs down then you applied to much power coming forward for the amount of line you were hauling. Make that dryfly touch the water like a feather! keep it fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    I don't like grass because it causes wear and micro cuts on the fly line, but with a used fly line and a "grass leader," one can simulate the "feel" of water resistance. Make up a few for teaching the roll cast.

    Search for "Roll/Spey grass leader" on Google and click on the first hit. You can modify the leader to make it shorter or longer.
    Well, I only have one rod and one line, so I guess I'll use it until I get better and buy another. I'll try the grass leader, although the link said a 12' leader. Wouldn't that be too long for a 9' rod?

    Thanks,

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickel View Post
    During your casting stroke visualize keeping your rod tip on the same plane from back to forward stroke. Dont allow your stroke to present a big arc. during your forward stroke if your line loop is tailing, you most likely are applying to much power+speed too soon. Concentrate on letting "the rod work" with the amount of line your hauling to feel it loading naturally. Grip pressure could be an intrical part of the cast that will tighten everything in your hand and your forearm and may play an important role in your stroke being more jerky and robotic. A good caster will always show a precise and deliberate stroke with good timing on a good cast (narrow loops). Once you have a tight loop coming forward, time the abrupt stop of the rod to allow the line to straighten and lay down softly. If your line slams down or tugs down then you applied to much power coming forward for the amount of line you were hauling. Make that dryfly touch the water like a feather! keep it fun!
    I think part of my problem is bending my wrist. This is about the only thing I can think of where wrist movement is not an integral part of the motion.

    By the way, I'm getting a little better each day. I cast 15-20 minutes every night.

    Thanks,

    John
    “…and sometimes he saw an enormous disk of ocean, a cold, uneasy sea, endless miles of desolation, the comfortless element in which he was at home.”

    Patrick O’Brian

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    Start with a leader about as long as the rod, so modify it for 9 ft.
    Regards,

    Silver



    "Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought"..........Szent-Gyorgy

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    Start with a leader about as long as the rod, so modify it for 9 ft.
    Thanks. Is that sort of a rule of thumb that the leader be approximately the same length as the rod?

    John
    “…and sometimes he saw an enormous disk of ocean, a cold, uneasy sea, endless miles of desolation, the comfortless element in which he was at home.”

    Patrick O’Brian

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    For a newbie, that is what I use as a rule of thumb. If you can't handle that shorten the leader by a foot.

    I also use a rule of thumb for tippet to fly size for newbies. Divide the hook size by 4 for newbies and by 3 for as you get better. For example on a size 16 fly, a newbie would use a 4X tippet for better control; and then as their casting and accuracy got better, they would use a 5X tippet.
    Regards,

    Silver



    "Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought"..........Szent-Gyorgy

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    Thanks, Silver...think I've probably already shortened it that much from wind knots. Should be called "greenhorn knots". Still practicing every night. Some casts are decent, some not so much.

    Thanks again,

    John
    “…and sometimes he saw an enormous disk of ocean, a cold, uneasy sea, endless miles of desolation, the comfortless element in which he was at home.”

    Patrick O’Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    For a newbie, that is what I use as a rule of thumb. If you can't handle that shorten the leader by a foot.

    I also use a rule of thumb for tippet to fly size for newbies. Divide the hook size by 4 for newbies and by 3 for as you get better. For example on a size 16 fly, a newbie would use a 4X tippet for better control; and then as their casting and accuracy got better, they would use a 5X tippet.
    This sounds like good advice. I wonder if some of the issues I've been having throwing long leaders and light flies could be fixed by this. I'll try next time I'm out.

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