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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    It's new rod but I would still check every one of the line guides to make sure one of them has not been nicked.

    Another possibility is that some rods do not have a smooth surface but still have the pressure ridges from the curing wraps. This is true in some of the cheaper rods. They do not go to the expense of sanding and coating the rod. Line rubbing against these ridges could cause a zinging sound during line shoot.

    I would also treat the line with a line dressing to see if that helps. I'm at a loss to explain the noise otherwise.
    The rod looks good, as do the guides. But on closer inspection, I am starting to think it could be the line. Although new, it is a generic stock line, and doesn't seem of top quality. I will upgrade the line to a Rio and see what that does.

    As long as it's not damaging the line, spooking the fish, or interfering/causing this problem, I would assume a little noise can be tolerated? Or is every rod/line set up nearly silent as my old gear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swirlchaser View Post
    Under most situations you will get the same distance from a slower action rod. Do everything you did with your previous rod, just do it slower. You will also get a softer presentation with a slower action rod.
    As in a rod more suited to sneaking up on carp/bones. So worth putting in the time and effort to learn it seems.

    Quote Originally Posted by swirlchaser View Post
    By the way, we're you ever stationed at Ft. Wadsworth in Staten Island, NY? I took a salt shot to the thigh from a Navy cop as a teenager while I was fishing/trespassing. Your screen name brought back a painfully memory, lol.
    I was in NY for a total of three hours. Off Duty. I was in Willow Grove PA, or Norfolk VA when I was on shore duty. My time was split between the USS Lamoure County and the USS Enterprise. I hope he didn't hurt ya too bad!

    Greg H.
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    [QUOTE= ... I hope he didn't hurt ya too bad! [/QUOTE]

    When it hit me I laughed at him and ran away. 50yds down the beach the salt started dissolving, I wasn't laughing or running anymore after that. My father had to come pick me up at the fort, he wasn't happy
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    Quote Originally Posted by navycop10 View Post

    As long as it's not damaging the line, spooking the fish, or interfering/causing this problem, I would assume a little noise can be tolerated? Or is every rod/line set up nearly silent as my old gear?
    Not only won't the noise bother the fish, some of the textured high tech lines like Sharkskin make noise as they are cast.

    What we hear as noise with our ears cannot be heard under water because the vibrations in the air are reflected when the hit the water surface. Water is 700 times as dense as air and that density difference does not allow what we would hear as noise to penetrate the water.

    What fish do hear is the direct vibrations of us walking on shore or wading that is transmitted directly through the ground and water. They do not hear is so much as "feel" it through their lateral lines.
    Regards,

    Silver



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    Quote Originally Posted by swirlchaser View Post
    When it hit me I laughed at him and ran away. 50yds down the beach the salt started dissolving, I wasn't laughing or running anymore after that. My father had to come pick me up at the fort, he wasn't happy
    He must have got you from close range, those things didn't work too far out. I think that's why they were mostly gone by the time I got there. We had the BeanBags to play with. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    Not only won't the noise bother the fish, some of the textured high tech lines like Sharkskin make noise as they are cast.

    What we hear as noise with our ears cannot be heard under water because the vibrations in the air are reflected when the hit the water surface. Water is 700 times as dense as air and that density difference does not allow what we would hear as noise to penetrate the water.

    What fish do hear is the direct vibrations of us walking on shore or wading that is transmitted directly through the ground and water. They do not hear is so much as "feel" it through their lateral lines.
    Is there any way to tell what kind of line exactly I have? As the package was gone, and the description of the product isn't specific online. The line was pre-spooled on the reel, and I have not, nor know how, to make sure it's on right.

    So I need not worry so much about the screaming through the air, but the large smack into the water from the near constant "tuck cast" that I seem to cast with this rod? Again, back to basics it seems.

    Speaking of basics. Will casting into the yard/grass hurt my line/leader/tippet? As in, can I practice a bit in the yard, then roll it up and off to the lake without have to clean and dress or worry about damage?

    Greg H.
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    Grass casting wears out lines.
    Regards,

    Silver



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    Quote Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
    Grass casting wears out lines.
    I keep hearing that but must be doing something right. Sure the line get dirty and even stained but if all the line is used for is lawn practice I can't really see how grass casting has ruined any of my them.
    I practice on the grass with lines that I no longer fish with. These lines are the same type I fish with so I imagine being the same system I use for fishing my practice is all good with little adaping to a line with differnt characteristics. Even with yard lines I clean and treat them as needed. Maybe because they are always slick and clean they aren't as prone to being cut by the grass. I very rarely lawn cast with the same lines I use for fishing but I will lawn cast with my good lines on occasion. After being cleaned and dressed they seem no worse for the wear but using my good lines for lawn practice is definately the exception rather than the rle.

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    I was afraid of that. I use the original line that came on my 12 year old set up for yard practice. Never been cleaned or dressed, and I don't use a leader/tippet. I am probably not benefiting myself any doing this, since it is probably no where near the condition of a new, properly cared for line. I would really hate to have my pretty new white line out in the grass and get it messed up, since replacements are running upwards of $80 now.

    The noise! I found this video. This is the noise I am hearing from my rod. And I am no where near the power or skill level of this guy. Probably never will be either. But no luck on the whistle of the fly/airborne line.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kg6985oY0o&feature=related]Steve Rajeff Double Haul - YouTube[/ame]

    Greg H.
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    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” ― Abraham Lincoln

    “The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure.” ― Albert Einstein

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    Steve Rajeff is a world champion. I think the noise I hear may be the line going through the air rather than shooting through the guides.

    The noise seems to come right AFTER he hauls rather than exactly when he hauls. Listen as he false casts. Depending on how far the video camera is away from Steve, there could be a delay between when the image hits the camera lens vs when the noise hits the camera microphone.

    What do the rest of you think?
    Regards,

    Silver



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    I seemed to think it was the sound of the line through the guides. But, I could be mistaken. I watched other videos of his, and what I wouldn't give to be half as good a fly caster as he is. Wow.

    Greg H.
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    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” ― Abraham Lincoln

    “The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are the constitutional rights secure.” ― Albert Einstein

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    Silver,

    The only thing I hear in the Rajeff cast is the whoosh from the rod going through the air. You can dupllicate that sound in the living room with the top half of a rod. In my opinion it should not be heard except when distance casting. If it is, and no distance is achieved, something is wrong with the cast.
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