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Thread: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

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    Default Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    For those of you lucky enough to have fished for all three is there a difference in how you like to fish for them or do you make subtle adjustments in your fishing dependant on species? For those who aren't that lucky how about tips or hints for the species you have fished for? Time of year, bottom, structure, weeds, temps, overcast/not, etc. I'll pass along some info I've garnered over the past half century mol once the discussion gets going.
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    Default Re: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    I see a few looky loos but no discussion or information. Hmmmm getting license tomorrow and going Tiger fishing then. Have a great day and get out fishing!
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    Default Re: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    I've caught a decent amount of Muskie and a few Tiger's but not on the fly. In Wisconsin, the best time to catch them is when the water is starting to warm up. As soon as the bait fish move to the shallows it's GAME ON. Pike are the same way. I plan to fish for them this summer. I'll keep you posted on my luck.

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    Default Re: The forum list on Muskies, Pike and Tigers!

    Here's a list of our forum contributions to the allure of Musky and Pike fishing. Enjoy folks, I know I did!

    I've deleted a few of those discussions that have little to no content and keeping the info rich ones! Enjoy!

    Pike and Muskie Rods/flies A spirited discussion that goes on for 8 pages with loads of tips and info.

    Tiger Muskie Flies must haves Meet Brad Bohen and some great discussion w/pictures.

    Using Toothy Critter leader

    pike fly rod?

    Musky on the Fly Anoter couple great Brad Bohen articles--and info with comments.

    Pike on the fly from 7 acre lake Great short report with pics of fish and fly caught in a pond!

    Northern Pike Great info including a couple super looking Pike Flies by Diver Dan

    Climax Pike Leader...Directions

    Reel.. Bass, Northern Maybe even Musky Question

    What rod and reel for musky?


    new pike/musky setup!!!

    Muskie River Fishing

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    Default Re: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    Food for thought: In one well thought out and conducted study the researchers found that: For every

    1 ----- Musky caught in the study there were

    3.1 --- Tiger Muskies caught and

    4.2 --- Pike caught when species densities were matched in the fishing area and angler hours were equal. In short a Pike is easiest with a Tiger being a bit harder to catch. The true Muskies are the hardest and are 4 times as hard to catch as a big Pike.

    Are Pike easy? Does your experience reflect this? Does the ratios change when it's big trophy sized fish we are speaking off? (the fish in the study were pretty well size matched and in that 2-3 ft length) if I recall right.
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    Default Re: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    Ok, here is my thought.
    I did well with the Pike last year on a center pin bait caster with a chartreuse spinner. This year I made two "fly spinners" to try on the fly rod. Its basically a beetle spinner with a chartreuse crazy leg fly. I found a video of it on a very popular video hosting site and decided to try it.
    I realize its blurring the line between hardware and a fly, but I figure it might be fun.

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    Okay I have fished northerns, muskie, and tiger musky. I have caught alot of pike and tigers but never a pure strain(all on conventional tackle). Here are my thoughts a tiger musky is a hybrid of a pike and a musky the DNR usually stocks them because grow fast and are very catchable putting more people on the lake (just look at minnesota metro area). I think that these fish tend to follow their pike jeans more than their musky and here is why.....Unlike a pure strain tigers tend to go after smaller baits just as a pike would do. On the lake I fish for them I have caught them all on a twister tail with heavy braided line(my buddy has landed multiple 40 pluse inch fish this way) This does not mean that big musky baits cant get the job done trolling super shad raps and belivers has yeilded results. But more have been caught on bass sized crankbaits, small bucktails, and jig and grub combinations than any other method I have seen. Nextwe have pike I have caught them in canada, minnesota, and wisconsin. They I belive are the easiest to catch they seem tohave an uncontrollable predator instinct. Once again I feel form my experience that you use bass gear with a wire leader not a pure strain musky pule cue 200 pound teset and a lure with 20 trebs in it....One thing to understandabout pike that will help you immensly is understanding this smal pike tend to stay in warmer water, medium like cool, and big pike are a coldwaterfish that will come up every now and a gain to search the shallows sun its self or spawn in the spring when those shallows are cool. The way around this is look for a cold spring or creek flowing into the lake that givesthem a reason to sit shallow. Just for perspective about a year and a half ago we slammedsome giants im talking 10 30 pluseinch fish in two days with 6 inch suckers but in the summer thay only wanted smal bass sized jointed rapalas. Its more up toyour fish and body of water. Im sorry for all of my modern tackle speak I started flyfishing like a year ago after fishing that style my whole life still got that nonsense in my head. Im heading back to those lakes with my flyrod only this year!!! hope the info helps

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    Default Re: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    I've been lucky enough to not really have to do much overhead casting for pike. The ones I fish for are in small rivers and my 8 wt handles them just fine. I really enjoy just roll casting to them.

    I did find a new spot where I'm gonna have to start working my casting arm though.

    As for flies, bunny leeches have been my go-to flies.

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    Default Re: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    Great points all! Here's another tidbit that is part experience and part from others. I find that Pike are first in, in the spring. By in I mean up shallow, what say you? I worked for John Propp, holder of six tippet class IGFA records for a year or two and knew him much longer and he'd always try and hit a really far north location, close to the NW territories, very early, as that's when he found those huge Pike up and hungry! That leads me to another as the "Northern" Pike got it's name for it's predilection for lakes and rivers, further north. Of course man got involved and stocked them here and there but with Pike and Tigers in large part, look for cooler waters just as the true Muskys will be found where/when it's warmer.
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    Default Re: Muskellenge, Northern Pike or Tiger Musky?

    The largest pike in North America reside along the upper reach of Saskatchewan and Manitoba and into the Northwest Territories. Here the fish grow big and this is due to the fact there's little fishing pressure, catch and release fishing, cool water temperatures, and perhaps most importantly, a steady supply of food. In these northern locations, pike feed heavily on ciscos, lake trout, grayling, burbot and the occasional smaller pike.

    My good friend was the head guide at both Wollaston and Selwyn, and the only person I call a true "guru" when it comes to pike fishing. I swear he's part pike. He still holds the lake records for both of those lakes with his largest at 54" with conventional gear and a 51" on fly gear.

    Definitely you want to plan your trip within the first couple of weeks of the lodge opening. This is typically the best time and is right after spawning. The absolute best time is before ice-out, when only the back bays or spawning bays are open but the main body is still frozen. At this time the largest pike in the lake will be holding up shallow and picking off any baitfish coming into the bay to seek out warmer waters. The entrance of a feeder creek, and a bay that faces south with a dark or muddy bottom is like gold.

    My number one pike fly is one that I call a Hollow Pike Fly. I don't use rabbit strips at all. Although they provide great action, once water-logged they become an air-to-face missile! The Hollow fly is tied with all your materials, except for the tail, tied forward. Then you separate the top and bottom halves and fold it all back and epoxy the head. This way you create a huge profile fly but you can still cast it. Also by using almost entirely synthetic materials, it won't absorb water. You can tie this in any colour combo you so desire.

    Hollow Pike Fly
    Hook: Partridge CS43 Absolute Pike Hook 2/0, 4/0, or 6/0
    Thread: Black Kevlar 3/0
    Tail: UV Pearl Krystal Flash and White Bucktail
    Overwing: Black Synthetic Big Fly Hair, Black Icelandic Sheep's hair, Silver Krystal Flash, Silver Flashabou
    Underwing: White Synthetic Big Fly Hair, White Icelandic Sheep's hair, UV Pearl Krystal Flash

    Step one, get your thread wrapped on good. Kevlar thread has a tendency to slip on the hook shank so it's a good idea to half hitch (single whip finish) often and apply head cement or super glue on your wraps as often as you can.


    Start by tying in your flash tail. The length is up to you. Mine was about 5-6 inches


    Next tie in a clump of white bucktail over top of the flash. I like to make sure the bucktail wraps 360º around the hook shank and totally contain the flash.


    Now you can wrap forward and start tying in your wing materials. BUT, instead of the standard rear-facing wing, you want to tie everything forward. Make sure you make it all long enough to fold back and create enough of a wing. Remember that whatever you tie in first, will be the outer-most part of the wing. So darker, more durable materials first, and work in towards flash and accent colours.


    Almost ready to fold back. This photo shows all the materials tied forward. You'll notice I tie a fair amount onto the hook shank and it's important to coat with epoxy or head cement before you continue. Also, make sure you whip finish often!


    Now you want to separate the top and the bottom wings and fold back. I like to hold it down with my left hand and bring your bobbin ahead of the wings right behind the hook eye. Wrap a small head here and tighten up the wings. You don't want to tie over the wings though. Whip finish and cut your thread.
    Now take your bobbin and wrap over the folded back wings and push them forward to create a "bubble" like shown in the photo. This is giving the shape for the head.


    Epoxy around the hook eye and make a 1/2" head of epoxy. This will hold the materials at the desired angle. I like to use a two-part, liquid epoxy instead of the gel type. This way I know it's penetrating through the materials and into the thread. You can also use Marine Goop or UV epoxies. You can add your eyes at this time as well. I like to epoxy over the eyes and make sure they won't fall off when you catch a fish.


    When the epoxy is dry you can unwrap your bobbin and the wing will stay at this angle. You will be left with a large profile, "hollow" fly. This fly is 8-inches long but doesn't weigh much. Also because I used a lot of lightweight materials that don't absorb water, it will easier to cast than say a big bunny strip style fly.

    http://weedbed.blog.com/2012/02/pike-fly-tutorial/

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